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Kate McKinnon, Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clintonhas bounced right back aftercoming downwith a “really mild case” ofCOVID-19, she said in an episode of her podcast this week.

“I’d been dodging it for two years,” Clinton, 74, toldKate McKinnon, her guest for the season finale ofYou and Me Both with Hillary Clinton, which debuted Wednesday. “I was so tired. That was like the only thing that I experienced.”

“I didn’t know whether I’d ever get a chance to thank you,” Clinton told McKinnon, who made her first podcast appearance with Clinton, “but that was an incredible performance and it was so meaningful to me.”

McKinnon saidClinton’s lossto Trump was “the biggest heartbreak of my life other than when my father died when I was a teenager.”

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Kate McKinnon, Hillary Clinton

Later in the episode, Clinton and McKinnon fielded listener questions and revealed a number of ways that the former secretary of state and New York senator cultivates optimism and holds on to hope through personal disappointment — like she experienced in 2016 — and what a caller referred to as “one trauma after another” during the past six years.

“I know that that’s a really common feeling,” Clinton said, “I feel it myself, so I really relate to your question.”

In addition to keeping company with Mother Nature, Clinton said she likes to spend time with “people that are positive and have positive energy because there’s so much that drags you down these days.”

She said that includes old friends, new friends and her grandchildren, Charlotte, 7, and Charlotte’s two brothers, 5-year-old Aidan and Jasper, 2 ½.

“They are constantly just little engines of positivity,” Clinton said of daughterChelsea’s kids.

“I also try to read and watch things that make me laugh and make me smile, make me think but don’t depress me because I’m not tuning in to all of the meanness and the anger,” Clinton continued. “I read about it, which I can handle better than watching it, and I use my social media to speak out against it.”

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Kate McKinnon, Hillary Clinton

Clinton said she was “angry beyond words” aboutRussia’s ongoing invasion of Ukraineand earlier in the episode calledFlorida’s so-called “Don’t Say Gay” bill— which restricts discussion of LGBTQ topics in some classrooms — “profoundly outraging and deeply sad.”

“I’m trying to be helpful there but I’m going to let it totally consume me,” she said, referring to the crisis in Ukraine. “That’s how I try to deal with a lot of the stuff that we’re all living with.”

As for finding joy in reading, which she said she did a lot of during her week-long, COVID-induced downtime, Clinton offered some suggestions based her recent book selections.

“I caught up on some of my favorite historic fiction,” she said.

“What happened?” McKinnon asked. “Don’t tell me!”

source: people.com